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Added: October 1, 2009

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Self-Correcting Real Estate Market Takes First Baby Steps In Right Direction

Second Quarter Reports Better Than Plummeting First

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The real estate market on the East End is good or bad, improving or tanking, depending on whom you talk to and what you read. However, the numbers for the second quarter of 2009 are higher than they were for the first quarter of this year. Property courtesy of Susan Breitenbach, The Corcoran Group

Southampton - Sales are down, prices are lower and inventory is up. That much is certain as real estate agents enter the second half of the year analyzing market data gathered over the last six months. The big question, have we seen the bottom yet, remains unanswered.

The real estate market on the East End is good or bad, improving or tanking, depending on whom you talk to and what you read. Despite these mixed messages, the bottom line is clear amid market reports cluttered with graphs and discussions of quintiles that are often obtuse and difficult to understand -- the numbers for the first half of 2009 are lower than they were in 2008 which means the market is down.

However, the numbers for the second quarter of 2009 are higher than they were for the first quarter of this year. This indicates an up turn and a heralds a shift in cautious expectation.

According to George Simpson, of Suffolk Profiles, the numbers to watch are the figures for this year - not the numbers from last year.

"The number of sales has increased in the last three months along with the median price and total sales volume. That's very big news," George Simpson of Suffolk Profiles declared. "The market is coming back." Simpson has been monitoring East End real estate sales for years. According to Simpson, the numbers to watch are the figures for this year - not the numbers from last year.

"Agents should not be doing a year over year analysis," Simpson said. "They should be looking at this year and watching the quarterly sales increases. Statistically we can expect the third quarter to be better than the second quarter."

That is the recovery theory that agents and sellers are happy to hear. But there is no denying the year over year analysis indicating the market this year is not good compared to last year. In fact, the numbers indicate the market on the East End has been declining steadily since 2007.

CPF Indicator
A clear cut indicator of the drop in sales is the corresponding drop in revenues collected for the Community Preservation Fund, referred to commonly as the CPF. The CPF derives its revenues for land preservation by collecting a two percent transfer tax at the closing table each time a property changes hands in any of the five East End towns.

Southampton Town has emerged as the largest collector of these funds over the years since the fund was established in 1998. In 2007, Southampton's fund topped out at $53.5 million. This number decreased to $32.97 million in 2008 according to figures released by New York State Assemblyman Fred Thiele's office this month. This year the town collected $8.35 million for the first half of 2009.

Real estate agents across the region do not need a report to tell them which way the wind is blowing or how the market is playing out as they search for customers on a daily basis while coping with their anxious clients. It takes longer to sell a house this year than it did last year. Sagaponack property courtesy of Sotheby's International


At this rate, Southampton Town officials hope to end the year with an estimated $16 million in revenue if sales continue at the current rate. This number could increase if there is an increase in sales activity, however there is an established pattern of decline which may indicate next year's totals could be half of the year end 2009 revenues. Statistically this number can be expected to decrease in much the same way Simpson predicts his numbers will increase in the third quarter.

Prudential Douglas Elliman and the Corcoran Group, two corporate real estate firms with offices from Montauk to Manhattan, released their second quarter reports this month indicating a severe decline in sales as well as selling prices for the first half of 2009 compared to totals for the same time in 2008.

Corcoran reports a total sales volume of $396 million for the first half of 2009. The figure is a startling contrast to the firm's 2008 sales volume total of $949 million. These totals are based on Corcoran's sales on both the North and South Forks. The North Fork total is based on sales conducted from Aquebogue to Orient. The South Fork data tallies sales from Remsenburg to Montauk.

Even luxury housing often traded among the recession proof segment of the population is moving slowly. North Fork property courtesy of Prudential Douglas Elliman Real Estate

While these numbers are discouraging, the Corcoran Group has found a way to spin it by encouraging buyers to take the plunge noting the growing inventory and falling prices make it an ideal time to buy a home on the East End.

Phones Still Not Ringing
Real estate agents across the region do not need a report to tell them which way the wind is blowing or how the market is playing out as they search for customers on a daily basis while coping with their anxious clients. It takes longer to sell a house this year than it did last year. Buyers are scarce. The phones aren't ringing. When a house sells, it often sells for considerably less than the owner's original listing price. Inventory on the North Fork is moving slowly.

Waterfront homes have remained on the market for months, if not years, as sellers hold their price or make minor price reductions. A few years ago when the market was "hot" this type of listing would be sold within 30 days. Bidding wars and back-up offers were common. Now they are few and far between.

Agents on the North Fork point to a French Chateau style home on Long Island Sound in Jamesport as a case in point. The house, first listed with a NYC broker, went on the market for $3.5 million in 2006. The house has not sold. The property is now listed for sale at $1.665 million, a figure that represents more than a 50 percent price reduction. The first time homebuyers said to be favored by this market have not materialized despite the lure of low interest rates and available financing.

"If you are going to comment on the market you have to take a historical perspective," Richard Stauffer, of the Hamptons North Fork Realtors Association (HANFRA) said.


North Fork broker John Nickles, of Lewis and Nickles Real Estate LLC, reported market activity for second homes in the $400,000 range. "It helps if the house is close to the water," Nickles said, "and has beach rights. Then it will sell."

Nickles has been in the real estate business over 40 years and serves as the president of the Hamptons North Fork Realtors Association (HANFRA). "First hand, in the trenches," Nickles notes, "we have a seen an increase in sales in the last seven weeks." The big money is sitting on their hands according to Nickles. His observation is backed up by the number of choice bay front properties that have not sold this year.

Real estate signs on houses along the roadways of the Hamptons are as plentiful as the deer that dart across them. Even luxury housing often traded among the recession proof segment of the population is moving slowly. In some cases homeowners have dropped their prices as much as $10 million as they wait for a buyer to come along. Sometimes these dramatic price reductions are the result of a realty check after a seller has failed to attract any interest in a property that has gone on the market for what agents refer to as "an ambitious price."

"There will always be a market out here. It's all about supply and demand. The demand is starting up again and the supply will go down." John Keeshan predicts a market turn around by the spring of 2010. "By then," he said, "half of the inventory will be gone."

This strategy worked in a boom market when demand was high and supply was limited. Buyers were psychologically prepared to overpay rather than lose a house in the Hamptons in those robust markets that existed a scant four years ago. Now high-end buyers are offering brokers fifty cents on the dollar for houses in their inventory.

Corcoran's report indicates a 16 percent drop in the average price of homes in Sagaponack, a locale that has been cited by Forbes magazine as one of the wealthiest zip codes in America. In 2008, the average home price in Sagaponack was $4.144 million. This year the number has dropped to $3.439 million. The median price dropped from $2.65 million to $2.2 million, or 17 percent, in one year.

The decline in average as well as median prices is across the board, with a few blips on the chart where these values have increased slightly on both the North and South Forks.

Prudential Douglas Elliman's report take's its own stance on the drastic price reductions describing the gap between the listing price and the contract price as a "listing discount." While that may be a nicer way of telling a seller to take a hit and make a deal, the fact remains, houses, condos and vacant land on both the North and South Fork are selling for considerably less than they did last year, and far less than they did two years ago giving buyers good reason to wait it out.

Area realtors report they are doing a few deals but it's "not like the old days." Property courtesy of Gary DePersia, Corcoran Group

An Historical Perspective
"If you are going to comment on the market you have to take a historical perspective," Richard Stauffer, of the Hamptons North Fork Realtors Association (HANFRA) said. Independent owner brokers like Susan Von Freddie of Village Real Estate in Hampton Bays have that perspective. "I've been here 37 years," Von Freddie said. "We are all in the same boat, whether we are owners, brokers or corporate firms. Things are slow. We are doing a few deals but they are not jumping out at you. It's not like the old days," she said repeating the familiar refrain that punctuates most real estate agents' conversations these days. Von Freddie noted an increase in the number of year-round rentals but reported a lackluster summer rental season dominated by weekly rentals rather than seasonal leases.

Out in Montauk, 40-year veteran John Keeshan, of Keeshan Real Estate, reported making six sales for the first half of the year. Keeshan believes in Montauk from the ground up noting the large amount of preserved land surrounding the beach community restricts development, making the location on the tip of the South Fork one of the most desirable locations on the East End. "I think the market has hit the bottom," Keeshan said, encouraged by his sales performance. "Things start to happen once a few people get off the sidelines," he said. "Montauk is a hot ticket."

Keeshan has attracted loyal customers and clients by adhering to a simple business philosophy. "If you do the right thing, and are fair and honest, people will come back to you." This quintessential hometown broker happily foregoes the trappings of corporate real estate and pokes fun at their presence along the shoreline.

Agents hope the market will self correct to the point where buyers return with cash and confidence.

"We have a lot of slogans we use in our ads," he said gladly sharing his witty sayings. "For instance, we have one that says, "There are still more lobsters than people out here." Another proudly states Montauk is the place "where fishnets aren't stockings." The one that always gets a laugh, especially from the real estate community, proclaims "our sharks are in the water."

Keeshan is proud of the fact that he does business from one office describing his location as the "worldwide headquarters" for his company. "Most of the business we do is on a handshake," Keeshan said. "There will always be a market out here. It's all about supply and demand. The demand is starting up again and the supply will go down." Keeshan predicts a market turn around by the spring of 2010. "By then," he said, "half of the inventory will be gone."

VonFreddie sighted the unprecedented rate of appreciation in real estate prices on the East End over the last decade as a major factor in the current downturn. "It just went up and up, until prices got too high," Von Freddie said. "People want $700,000 for a ranch, and it is not happening anymore."

Agents hope the market will self correct to the point where buyers return with cash and confidence. "No one wants to overpay," Simpson said. He has been trying to sell his house for the last three years with no takers. "I think buyers are very naïve about bargaining," Simpson said, commenting on the lack of offers on his property. Statistically speaking, he can expect a change when the numbers jump at the end of the third quarter.



Comments

Guest (Interested Party) from Nassau says:
To: W U R from Sag Harbor Why isn't your house listed on MLSLI?

Guest (Witheld Upon Request) from Sag Harbor says:
So I have been trying to sell my home for over a year. I reduced it from 1.2 to 875,000 and it's a deal. and still no takers. One lowball retard offer.. Tell me where else can you get a 3600 sq foot home on .68 acres with 4-5 bdrooms and 5 bths and pool for this price.. Not even upisland!!! The bottomfeeders are out for blood, as they figure we are all pigs trying to sell. Well guess what not everyone is making a 100% profit.. The worst market now is entry level hamptons!!!

Guest (Marielle Rothschild) from NYC says:
It's entirely possible that one good reason for slow sales would be many of these houses are still grossly over-priced, regardless of any hype proferred by the local "real estate professionals". Given the atmosphere and unmitigated greed saturating the market during the high-flying pipe-dream value times, no one likes to take a loss, especially when they too, overpaid. It is what it is - "Sellers, your house isn't worth anywhere near that much!" Good luck.

Guest (EQ) from Southampton says:
I bought in 2001 when no one was buying, fear was high, and there were no competing bids and tons of for sale signs. The builders were happy to unload on me and even made some snarky comments that I overpaid at the closing back then. I have not seen, even in this market, a similar property listed for three or four times as much as I paid for my house then. A similar market exists today and as sure as the population continues to grow, 2009 will prove to have been a great time to buy a few years from now.

Guest (AndreaAurichio) from Southold says:
kpjc- I do not write the headlines- I only write what appears in the text of the article.

Guest (Tom D) from Westhampton Beach says:
I didn't think anyone in the Hamptons ever had to sell. So now I know there is at least one person on the east end who needs to sell. Everyone keeps talking about all of the statistics and quarter over quarter comparisons, etc. Inventory is piling up, sales while up are still very low as compared to a year ago based on CPF revenue. And that might be about the most honest and accurate assessment of the market. So let the realtors brag about all of their so called deals. Then let's see what the CPF numbers show and we will know reality. And as the days go by we will see more folks like our one person from East Hampton who need to sell and prices will fall. Count on it. It's not 2006 anymore.

Guest (George Simpson) from Southampton says:
Real Estate Report The link you provided has nothing to do with sales volume, only Median Price. There is a slight up tick in sales volume from 1st to 2nd quarter -- 8 out of the last 10 years, sales went up. The largest was in 2002 - the recovery from 2001 slump (911). 1st qtr to 2nd quarter of this year, there was a substantial increase in Median and Sales. Yr 210 210 % Change Units Units from 1st 1st Qtr 2nd Qtr to 2nd Qtr 2000 1084 1167 7.656 2001 722 712 -1.385 2002 649 1035 59.476 2003 790 930 17.721 2004 1073 1198 11.649 2005 1054 1053 -.094 2006 818 909 11.124 2007 709 815 14.950 2008 506 576 13.833 2009 256 344 34.375 The 2nd qtr results indicate a turnaround -- we'll see as time goes on.

Guest (Real Estate Report) from West Islip says:
George - you are wrong Sales are historically better in the 2nd quarter. kpjc is right - we did the comparison exactly that way to show the uptick in median prices. See http://www.lirealestatereport.com/LIRERBlog/? p=41

Guest (Trying to sell) from East Hampton says:
I'm not an agent Im just a guy trying to sell my house because I need to.(Not foreclosure) I don't need to read about multi mil. estates taking a turn for the better. I want to know when I can sell my house, why I can't, and when it will move. What the hell is going on? Stop drinking champagne and riding the polo ponies and help me.

Guest (George Simpson) from Southampton says:
KPJC You are wrong in stating: "If you want to analyze the numbers correctly, you must compare the increase for Q2 over Q1 a year ago vs. increase of Q2 over Q1 this year" Sales are not usually better in the Q2 than Q1.

Guest (realestate) from analizer says:
take q1 and insert in q2 or q2 and insert into q1 and then analize it.good luck with that

Guest (Ann) from Smithtown says:
I don't believe that George Simpson is with Suffolk Profiles.

Guest (kpjc) from eq says:
Andrea, Please read the article headline. The analysis is incorrect by insinuating the market is turning around based on an increase Q2 over Q1 09. Maybe the numbers are indicating an upturn, but without looking at the same trend a year ago you do not have the whole picture.

Guest (Andrea Aurichio) from Southold says:
The article states the numbers for the first half of 2009 are lower than the numbers for the first half of 2008. That is the year over year, quarter over quarter, half year over half year analysis. There was no increase this year when compared to last year in either the first quarter or the second quarter- The increase noted is an increase in the second quarter of 2009 over the first quarter in 2009. Again, these numbers are lower than the 2008 numbers for the same time frame. The analysis is correct. This is in reply to the comment from kpjc from EQ.

Guest (DKA) from Southampton says:
KPJC is correct...Statistics 101 dictates that you need to make seasonality adjustments when comparing Q2 to Q1... you just can't take the raw data and compare Q2 to Q1. Also, the reference to Sagaponack being one of the wealthiest zipcodes is misleading since it is just based on home prices... a better indicator is the ESRI rankings, which includes household net worth, not just home prices. Home prices can be highly leveraged by debt. In the ESRI rankings for 2007, none of the Hamptons zipcodes even appear in the Top 100.

Guest (Tom D) from Westhampton Beach says:
While these numbers are discouraging, the Corcoran Group has found a way to spin it by encouraging buyers to take the plunge noting the growing inventory and falling prices make it an ideal time to buy a home on the East End. If inventory is still increasing and prices are still falling, why would any sane buyer take the plunge today unless he really NEEDED a place to live?? And NEED doesn't exactly describe your typical Hamptons home buyer who uses the place for a couple of months each year. Increasing inventory only means greater falling prices! Seems like the folks at Corcoran don't understand basic supply and demand if they really believe what is stated in this article.

Guest (kpjc) from EQ says:
If you want to analyze the numbers correctly, you must compare the increase for Q2 over Q1 a year ago vs. increase of Q2 over Q1 this year. Since you are writing this article and want to present the real picture, please note that sales are usually better in Q2 than Q1. So an increase in sales is meaningless unless you analyze them correctly.

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